Leica M (Typ 240): Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 versus Elmar-C 90mm f/4

My Leitz 90mm M-Mount Lenses | Body with Lens Attached | Some Technical Data | Sample Images | Conclusions | Links

On these pages you can find my first personal experiences with the lenses at the Leica M (Typ 240) and more. This page is devoted to the Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 and the Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 lenses, which have the same focal length and are very similar - and are therefore compared here.

All lens pages: Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 | Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 III | Zeiss Biogon 21mm f/4.5 | Leica Elmarit-M 21mm f/2.8 ASPH. | Leica Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH. | Voigtländer 25mm f/4 (M39) | Minolta M-Rokkor 28mm f/2.8 | Zeiss Biogon 35mm f/2.8 | Zeiss Sonnar 50mm f/1.5 | Voigtländer 75mm f/2.5 (M39) | Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 | Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 | Leitz Tele-Elmar 135mm f/4

See also: Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 - Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

My Leitz 90mm M-Mount Lenses

I bought the Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M in February 2016 via the l-camera-forum for 490 EUR (product number 11800; serial number 2587227 > built by Leitz Canada in 1973; but "production era" was between 1974 and 1986). It was my first (and, at the moment, only) lens that I bought after I had purchased the Leica M (Typ 240).

The Leitz Elmar-C, which I auctioned at ebay for a little more than 170 EUR (2642706 > built in 1973; source: Olypedia: Leica CL and Leica Wiki), was originally dedicated to the Leica CL. The Leica CL was manufactured for Leitz by Minolta in the 1970s (production era: 1972/3-1977; Version 11540). Minolta also sold its own, improved version of this camera, the Minolta CLE, after Leitz had discontinued the CL. I read that the Elmar-C was the only Japanese lens that was manufactured in Germany.

         
         
       

Figures: Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 lens (top row) - Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 lens for comparison (bottom row)

More Comparison Photos

    
     
 

 

Body with Lens Attached

    

Photos: Leica M (Typ 240) with Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 lens (left) and with Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 lens (right) for comparison

 

Some Technical Data

Data Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4
Model number 11800 11540
Focal length 90 mm (05 as correction, unclear what this amounts to...) 90 mm
Angle of view (35mm film) 27° diagonal 27° diagonal
Maximum aperture 2.8 4
f-stop range 2.8-16 4-22
Number of iris blades 10 10
Number of lenses/groups 4/4 4/4
Shortest distance 1.0 m 1.0 m
Weight 225.8 g (Ken Rockwell) (210 g on our own scales) 246/270 g (210 g on our own scales)
Length 61.3 mm at infinity, 67.92 mm overall (Ken Rockwell)) 60 mm (61 mm)
Maximum diameter 51 mm 51 mm
Filter thread 39 mm filters (E39) 39 mm - 5.5 type; do not use 39 mm filters - may cause damage!
Lens hood folding rubber hood (11250) with its own pop-in cap (11252), screw mount; the lens was supplied with this hood, but mine came with a metal lens hood 12575, which can also be used (I can use the rubber hood from my Elmar-C) folding rubber hood (11250) with its own pop-in cap (11252), screw mount; the lens was supplied with this hood
Smallest object field / magnification 1:9 (Ken Rockwell), 372 x 248 mm / 1:10.4 (calculated), 300 mm / 1:8.4 (from photo) 330 x 220 mm (Olypedia); 372 x 248 mm / 1:10.4 (calculated); 300 x 200 mm / 1:8.4 (from photo)

Lens Hoods

Both lenses can use the screw-in folding rubber hood (11250) with its own pop-in cap (11252). The hood has a special 5.5 type filter thread that cannot take 39 mm filters.

The Tele-Elmarit M 90mm f/2.8 can also use the metal lens hood 12575, which can also be used with the Tele Elmar 135mm/f4.

     Metal lens hood 12575 to the right on all photos

 

 

 

 
     
   

 

Sample Images

Closest Distance

    

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

   

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

Similar Places, Different Times

    

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

   

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4

Same Places, Same Time

    

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/4

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 at f/4

   

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/2.8

   
 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/4

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 at f/4

   

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/2.8 (fuzzy corners and edges)

   
 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/8

  Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 at f/8
 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/4

  Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 at f/4
   

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/2.8

   
 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/8 (EV -0.7)

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 at f/8 (EV -0.7)

 

Leitz Tele-Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 at f/8 (EV -1)

 

Leitz Elmar-C 90mm f/4 at f/8 (EV -1)

 

Conclusions

Disclaimer: I am not a lens expert who sees marked differences between various Leica and/or other lenses. I can check for soft corners, find differences in color rendition, and, in rare cases, may discover a "3D look", but that's all. Please regard therefore my conclusions as the verdict of a "layman".

At the moment, it is too early for comparing these lenses with respect to their image quality thoroughly.

First tests seem to reveal that the cheaper Elmar-C is sharper in the image corners and at the edges. It is also far less prone to flare issues. Thus, the only plus points for the Elmarit-M are for me, at the moment, its maximum opening of f/2.8 (where it has a shallower depth of field, but is also much fuzzier in the corners), its lower vignetting that I found in test shots, and its slightly lower weight (on paper only...).

 

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